Kennedy Died, Liberals Lied – Invoking The Ghost Of Teddy Will Not Turn A Pile Of Trash Into A Beautiful Rose
Posted by G.J. Merits in General Politics, tags: Congress, cooperatives, health insurance, healthcare, kennedy, Obama, rationing, weapons of mass destructionI remember it well.
President Clinton, John Kerry, China, Russia, the UK, and a slew of others all admitted that Saddam Hussein possessed weapons of mass destruction. Then came the Iraq war.
When no WMDs were found, the liberals conveniently forgot their own worshiped icons, including the UN, were on the record agreeing Saddam did have these weapons. No, it was Bush that lied.
Then came the predictable protest signs: Bush Lied, People Died.
It was the liberals who were lying.
Now many of those same liberals want to use Senator Kennedy’s passing to bludgeon through an unpopular health care bill. To do this requires the cooperation of the press to whitewash the real Kennedy legacy, rename the legislative effort to something which instantiates the memory of the Senator and shove it down our throats. So the media will lie, or conveniently forget the facts, and liberals in Congress will continue their all-out assault on the truth. But nothing in the current or planned legislation will have changed, and all the lies of the left are still present and accounted for.
Therefore, I say it is appropriate at this time for those opposed to liberal liberty stealing solutions to health care to state loudly that Kennedy Died, Liberals Lied. More realistically would be Kennedy Died, Liberals Lied, People Died, but the former shares more in common with the disingenuous messaging from the left concerning Bush.
If a public run option (read government controlled healthcare) is included in the final bill – even in the form of cooperatives which are nothing more than a RHINO creation and a Trojan horse for public healthcare – then all the lies of the liberals still exist. Renaming the bill or invoking the name of the Senator does not magically change the facts. A public option in the end will crowd out private insurers as nobody can compete with the government. What will be left is government controlled heathcare, and nothing can screw things up quite as well as anything government controlled. The current legislation and narrative from the left contains the following lies:
- A public plan won’t be a Trojan horse for a single-payer monopoly
- You can keep you current doctor
- You can keep your insurance
- Rationing will not occur. Want a chill to run up and down your spine? Read this expose from the Wall Street Journal: Obama’s Health Rationer-in-Chief. Still feeling safe?
- Nobody will be compelled to buy coverage
- Government can control health care costs better than the private sector
- A public option is a must to compete with private insurance and control costs
- Allowing for competition only among private insurers will not drive down the cost
- This overhaul won’t cost a penny – it will be deficit neutral. Just like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, all shining examples of government run programs and their efficiencies. We will actually save money. Ahem, by rationing. Shhhh, keep that last one a secret
I rest my case.
In other news and opinion:
From the Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler (love the picture emperor – hope you won’t behead me for using it here, but this is a visual meme that could very well end the push to use Kennedy as an icon to push through this vile piece of legislation: As Night Follows Day. Now for the picture of the year:

Blair Holt Bill Will Prohibit Ownership Of Handguns By Those Who Have Not Obtained A Firearm License
Obama’s Top Five Health Care Lies
Meet Obama’s newest Census collectors: Your kids!
Culture of corruption: Bill Richardson edition
Kennedy’s Legacy Is In Obama’s Hands
Pelosi: Ted Kennedy Died? Great! That Ought to Help Us Pass Health Care!
More evidence that Nancy Pelosi lied and that the Obamaites are living in a bubble
Code Red: DC Open for Business. America needs a warning system to identify the threats coming out of Washington. (h/t Glenn Reynolds)
No trillion-dollar healthcare tribute for Kennedy
Ted Kennedy, Political Abstraction
Can anyone match Kennedy’s clout?. The whitewashing worship service will continue and be on display for the next month or two. Thank you for attending.
Does Ted Kennedy’s Death Breathe New Life into the Health Care Debate?
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Bottom-line is – The GOP’s are the WORST LIARS up on Capitol Hill.
You want to cry Liberal Foul this and that to no end – go ahead – no one would listen to you in a blue moon anyway, as American people and voters alike are way more educated these days as to what really goes on in government today.
If the GOP’s aren’t constantly still blaming Jimmy Carter for everything under the sun (past to present of his term in office) – including the 2 Iraq nightmare Quagmires that those 2 worthless bush’s (Huey & Duey Sr & Jr) put us taxpayers through – then they always manage to find some DEM to pin their failures on.
That also would now include both Clintons these days as well, as the GOP’s really don’t even have poor old Jimmy Carter to blame for anything today – seeings that now Americans everywhere really DO have a CLEAR record of all their recent failures and more!
I think voters – esp GOP’s, and people in general – today are finally finished pulling their braindead heads out from their ass and coming to the realization that their so-called “reagan idol” was nothing more then a poor actor both in Hollywood and Wash, DC!
Anyone like reagan that can stand before the American people for 8 long years, running up a HUGE DEFICIT to no end, and then letting INFLATION RUN WILD in turn as well, and say time and time again that we are in a Recession to no end had to have a few screws loose upstairs.
I surely wasn’t buying it – even though I loved the 13-14% Interest Rates my CD savings were giving me. At the same time knowing farewell that it was only a matter of time before that False Bubble was going to BURST – sending the country into a huge tailspin!
And it did – BIG TIME!
BUT – like everything else – GOP people today still think reagan was their hero. GO FIGURE huh?
I could think of a 1000 quotes to add here, but one Classic quote always comes to mind and that is -
As Forrest Gump would always say:
“Stupid is as Stupid does”
Onlyinameria,
What a telling name. Only in America do knowledge challenged citizens have the freedom to continue their parade of lies before the American people who, by the way, are not buying the product you are selling.
The liberal lies and tactics concerning this bill are well documented here on this blog and elsewhere. Plants in town halls, SEIU thugs sent to intimidate and assault peaceful protesters, outright lies by the President who seems completely unaware of what is in the House bill. The bill itself has been picked apart section by section and exposed for what it really contains. Multiple post on a host of blogs expose various sections of the bill and what it contains. You can’t argue with facts. I know how much you hate that, but that’s life.
I won’t repeat every post on this subject here. Suffice to say I would win this argument just one given set of facts: The polls don’t support Obama and the liberals on this matter. The polls indicate distrust of Congress concerning health care. Most people feel they know more about health care than Congress. The polls, the polls, the polls. That is the final arbiter of who is wins this argument.
In closing, you are very much like arithmetic; you add trouble, subtract pleasure, divide attention, and multiply ignorance.
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“Anyone like reagan that can stand before the American people for 8 long years, running up a HUGE DEFICIT to no end, and then letting INFLATION RUN WILD in turn …” onlyinamerica needs to go back to school and relearn his/her civics. The so-called “Reagan deficit” was nothing of the sort. It was the Democrat’s deficit. After the Reagan tax cuts went through (which only went through because Reagan got on TV and talked to the people and explained why he wanted the tax cuts, after which the people called and wrote their congresscritters putting the law down to them) the tax REVENUES doubled. It was the Democrat controlled congress that overspent the additional revenue by expanding the unconstitutional social programs. (Read Article 1 section 8 of the Constitution). Also, the infaltion problem was a left over, not started by Reagan in any way, shape, or form. Read a history book instead of DailyKos.
only in america: Do you have any idea how much affirmation you give conservatives that we are on the right path and our suspicions and concerns about liberal control over government gets verified every time we read comments like you made. Does truth, even an inkling, mean anything to you people? How about facts? Not necessary for your hateful arguments? Don’t worry, Jimmy Carter looks like George Washington compared to our present President. You won’t have to worry about any more complaints about Carter. They seem so trivial in comparison. I’m guessing you weren’t old enough to have lived through Carter and the damage he did to our economy, our security, and how he opened all the gates for our present situation. If you were, then… you’re just plain stupid.
When it comes to stating FACTS and not just listening to POLL % figures (which btw only accounts for a measly 2000 polled people out of 300+ million people in America anyway – BIG DEAL – why not poll 10 million people instead and then get some real numbers!) – then who looks like the bigger fool here?
This G.J. Merits post, and Ogrrre post as well just confirms what I always say about polls in general. Still trying to blame poor Jimmy Carter for the “early 70’s Vietnam era mess” left behind by a “do nothing” Ford, and a lying ass bum like Nixon (literally caught with his pants down) before him huh? A mess that Jimmy had to inherit from yet 2 more GOP “do nothings”! Sure Ford gave us military boys 3 pay raises during his term in office, but name me something else PROFOUND that he did? Can’t think of anything? Figures!
It’s always the same crap – when a great DEM President like Bill Clinton comes along and runs the country straight on and leaves a SURPLUS behind what do the GOPS do with it? SQUANDER IT ALL AWAY as soon as they get their grimy little hands on it – that’s what! Read it and weep it – as that is the TRUTH! Want more truth?
YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH – in the words of Jack!
Want to take that part a step further and see some real truth here? Here’s some truth for you – Who put us in the Vietnam War mess to begin with?
Run to your Google search now GOPS!
This ? is always a good one, as the DEMS always get it right, and the GOPS always seem to say that it was JFK that put us in Vietnam. I had a real braindead GOP card carrying “bush W” lover that tried telling me that one! He worked for the VA Hospital system too, but never served a day in the military!
I served in the military, and as far as I was concerned whatever he was taught in whatever school he flunked out of sure went in one ear and right out the other – either that or all the history books sure are distorted today!
Facts are facts – just like the last 2 FAILED “bush Sr & Jr” wars in Iraq. And for what? Now we’re still quagmired in Afghanistan of all places! I suppose Obama put us there too? If the GOPS had it their way they’d try and sell us Americans that line of crap as well.
Keep listening to “Newt the Fruit Gingrich”, and maybe he can convince you too that Obama is getting another BJ under the Oval Office table like he tried to sell America during Bill’s term in office. GOPS hate a great president – esp with one the likes of Bill – yet they never can produce even a half ass good one themselves! A piece of work that Newt is btw – leaves his cancer stricken wife for a younger bimbo! Real class Newt – real class! All just more smear tactics by the GOPS – who btw are very good at “WHITEWASHING the real TRUTH”
You want to talk about FAILURES then talk about the mess that Obama has to now clean up in Afghanistan as well. A LEFTOVER from whom? Yah – “bush jr & cheney” that’s who! You want to talk about more LEFTOVER’S – I can give you tons of GOP leftover’s that all equate to failures, but it wouldn’t sink into your brain, because everything just goes in one ear and out the next if it’s not to your liking!
Let’s talk about the OVERRUNS on the B-2 program for one! From $500 million a copy to $1.2 BILLION a copy when all was said and done! Let’s see that was during the “reagan” term in office. Oh that’s right – we can’t blame poor Jimmy for that one – darn it. AND – we sure can’t blame Bill Clinton either – hard as the GOPS might try to! Just never ends doesn’t it.
Wanna talk military waste with me? I’ll chew your dumb ass up and spite you out sideways, as you gungho GOP military idiots are just that – braindead with a M-16 in your hands ready to kill more commies – at whose expense though?!
WARS are NOT the answer – as with the last 2 GOP idiots that we had in WASH DC ruining this whole world’s economy! WARS that were ALL based on LIES to begin with.
Hey – that’s your GOP LEGACY you have to live with – so deal with it! YOU MADE THE BED – NOW SLEEP IN IT!
And to Dave B – I was in the military while you were still swimming around in your daddy’s sac not even conceived yet! SO don’t tell me that I wasn’t old enough yet to remember Jimmy’s era!
I remember all TOO WELL how “reagan” shit on Jimmy with the ARMS TO IRAN FOR HOSTAGES fiasco!
CAN YOU?
I doubt it!
For my money I’ll take Obama and his Healthcare Reform any day! For if left to the GOPS to fix it – we’ll all be in another GREAT DEPRESSION worse then the one left behind by those 2 past GOP idiots “bush jr & cheney” !
I will just say this in parting -
Government in general better take a good hard look at the Hospital system across America before it passes anything concerning Healthcare Reform.
Why you ask?
Because just like with the DRG cutbacks under “reagan” in the early 80’s to fund his “STARWARS” program, and B-1 & B-2 programs, we had to tighten our belts in the medical field as related to hospital cost backs, and I for one remember those days all too well – as I worked in a major hospital.
I’ll bet you never even heard of the term DRG cutbacks have you?
Figures!
You’re a GOP!
Just goes to show you how little you know, onlyinamerica. First, I fight Republicans and Democrats. What is it that you are missing? Neither party has your best interests at heart. To think otherwise belies your naivety. You will either get socialized government controlled healthcare or a government backed fascist insurance cartel system (read the Senate Finance Committee Bill). I am from Canada and my wife from England. Anybody who thinks the government can run a successful healthcare system is, to put it plainly – ignorant. If you want insurance cartels, then you have plummeted to such depths of naivety that you are beyond help.
Free market solutions that have enough regulation over insurance companies to ensure a system of fair play but are loose enough not to stifle competition, coupled with Tort reform (which has done wonders here in Texas), not only will solve our problems but will not attempt to usurp 1/6 of our economy. Been reading the news lately? If so, you know the dire straits Social Security is in – and you want to allow the government to become involved in healthcare because?
The difference between you and I? I don’t listen to talking points from any party. Unions don’t represent you, Democrats don’t represent you and neither have your best interests in mind. Wake up, we are on our own out here. That is why the Tea Party movement is shaking the foundations. We are the biggest lobbying group and believe me when I say the biggest special interest group is – that’s right – the government.
Now pull your head out of the sand before reality sneaks up on you and bites you in the a$$.
Figures – G.J. Merits – this guy is from none other then Canada (not that Canada’s economy and health care system don’t suck any worse then ours at present), he’s married to a Brit of all people, and he’s living in TX of all places to boot (bush country – hahaha), and he’s openly calling himself a useless Independent party follower of all things on top of that! Figures!
After all – aren’t all Canadians these days nothing more then just GOP bush/cheney lovers in disguise to begin with? You bet they are, and for good reason. Every Canadian I’ve ever run into sure is – except maybe for one that has a brain, and one that doesn’t follow the Independents (INDS) in their thinking and constant b i t ching that there is just too much government present day. Any Canadian I talk to these days is just another bush/cheney GOP lover is all – as I’ve talked to other so-called Canadian transplants, and they all suck bush’s you know what (just like this Merits guy is doing here with his BS)!
Not only that but he even says his wife is from England/Britain of all places – so he should really talk about reform! They only sneak into this country to begin with so they can “fudge” off of our weak tax system here is all. That and a few other things found further below.
If Canada is such a great country and has such a great Health Care system then what the hell are you doing in TX of all places? Go figure!
Seems like that is all the IND’s ever do is b i t c h & whine come every election time, or whenever there is a hot topic brought back up again like there is with the Health Care Reform that NEEDS to go through sooner then NEVER!
NEVER meaning – if the GOP’s had it their way it would just be put off for another 30 years of disarray – while they (the likes of useless GOP idiots like McLame & Pale-in that thankfully never got into power) in turn think up NEW WARS and ways to drain the economy even drier then it already is at present! No thanks in part to useless GOP’s like bush & cheney that put us in the present day WAR MESS and ECONOMIC MESS we’re in to start with! Truth hurts doesn’t it “bush” lover?
Every time the damn GOPS get in power all they do start wars we can’t finish right! Ain’t that the plain truth. You bet!
Instead of actually fixing something like the Health Care mess what do they do? Start more WARS! In other words they put off the inevitable – that which should have been fixed 30+ years ago much as I hinted early on with the DRG cuts of the early 80’s. Had that been taken to a higher level back then we wouldn’t have the Health Care mess we have today. Then again – look who was power at that time in history. None other then braindead “reagan” who was just stumbling along with his little “failed voodoo reaganomics” whatevers!
IND’s never have a candidate worth a crap to begin with – much less any constructive input on how to fix the messes left behind by the useless GOP’s time and time again to no end. Much less fix the Health Care crisis staring us in the face right now. History follows a pattern in case you haven’t had the time to open up a history book and read the facts, or could it be that you are a bit illiterate to start with?
Let’s face it Canadians aren’t the swiftest of people when it comes to smarts, much less the Brits! All the latter ever does is come over to the USA to scab and undercut trade jobs otherwise held by quality licensed trade workers! Workers that took a lot of years to learn that trade and then obtain a legal license to begin with, and then have their quality work undercut by scabs! Esp those in the construction trades! I’ve seen it happen so many times that it isn’t even funny anymore. Forget the Mexicans as they are a no-brainer to start with – sorry but true!
You talk a good story with your Teabag Nation Tea Party movement, but yet fly the same redneck GOP colors as the last 2 GOP idiots that screwed this country royally – so who needs to get their head out of their ass here, and who is trying to fool who? Sure isn’t me buddy! You need to do some serious reality checks on yourself, as you sure have a lot of room to talk.
If you think the USA will ever be represented “by the people – for the people” – much like that of a true Democracy and much like Michael Moore even said himself recently – guess again fool. Short of another all out CIVIL WAR where citizens just kill other citizens, and take back their houses and property from the RICH Capitalist SOB’s that stole it from them in the first place, or else face the Wall Street backed US Military – nothing will ever change in this Capitalistic country we call America! Not in my lifetime, and surely not yours fool. Maybe if I lived to 500, but that surely won’t happen either! Get used to it – for it will always be the RICH screwing the POOR!!
If I had it my way I’d just shoot every roddamn SOB real estate agent I could set my sights on, as if you think that real estate gouging crap won’t happen again anytime soon – then you really are a dumbass with your head up your ass as it were – as mark my words – it’ll happen again sooner then you think.
This next time around those same RE gougings of the past will have a little bit different spin on it though – unlike those of the late 80’s and early 90’s – as it won’t be quite as obvious as it was before – that which got us in those past 2 RE messes, and that which got us in this present day mess we’re in now. The RICH will just figure out a way to screw us all yet one more time! Might not happen tomorrow, but trust me it’ll happen again within the next 8-10 years from now – that’s a given. Why? Because the American people are stupid – that’s why!
Look at who the money corrupted voting system, and that totally outdated Electoral College put into power 8 years in a row running – prior to Obama that is – need I say more!?
What this country really needs to do is just do away with real estate GREED agents totally, and instead bring back a simplified way for everyone to own outright and sell their own homes at a fair return of investment based on how long they actually owned it, actually lived in it, and have it based on the real life CPI adjusted yearly. In that way the GREEDY SOB’s (for a better lack of words) that actually call themselves real estate agents today – well – they would all be put out to dry!
Along with all that damn bank bailout money that went (where I’ll never know?), all rents paid by hard working renters out there should have been reduced by at least 30-40%, and then fixed at that level until the housing situation actually stabilizes, for as it is now the renters in America are taking it in the butt supporting you know who! Obama never thought of all those poor bastards either now did he? I can fault him for that part, but not the mess prior that he inherited from the damn GOPS flakes that preceded him!
Michael Moore said it best on The Charlie Rose Show yesterday when he said that something like 1% of the RICH USA Capitalist population owns 94-95% of the wealth in this country (don’t quote me on the exact figures, but I’m sure they are very close considering the state of the economy we’re in right now). WOW – that’s something else! No wonder everyone is losing their homes to foreclosure!
There is NO Middle Income Class society left in America either – sad fact – but yet 100% true ever since “reagan” had his way in creating a society of only the RICH and the POOR. How soon we all forget that fact! I was once considered Upper Middle Income Class people myself in the early 80’s making $14/hr plus – working at a great hospital system job, and today I consider myself POOR by those same early 80’s standards!
If this country actually made something (produced something that really was “Made in America” instead of Made in China) instead of just making “WARS for PROFIT – by the RICH” then maybe we wouldn’t have all these RICH SOB’s just milking America’s Poor People to death the way are doing today! Much like Moore himself even stated on Charlie’s show.
Here today – in a time when Obama should be focused on this economic mess still looming every damn day, and the quagmired wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that are still draining us dry – what do you think is distracting him once again – as was with Bill Clinton as well?
Damn homosexuals as usual! Here we go again!
They just want their little warped AGENDA summit with him so they can whine and b i t c h all over again that he’s not focusing on them enough (less keeping some ridiculous supposed election promise – right – as though he really has to keep his word on anything?!), as well as that of Congress not giving them even more sick special treatment crap! But then again – look who we have in power right now? Damn homosexual loving DEMS that’s who! Lead by none other then Nancy Peloser (pun intended), and Boxer of CA of course – home of the homosexuals and their queer AGENDA!
Lets just hope Obama doesn’t get sidetracked like old Billie boy did, and turns America into their much wanted Sodom & Gomorrah city of SMUT – FORNICATION – WARPED HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGES, and otherwise JUST PLAIN SICKO AGENDA to destroy normal family values everywhere! That would be his downfall come next election for no other reason! I know I’d never vote for him that’s for sure….
Focus Obama – just focus on the important stuff and screw the homosexuals and all the rest that is none important to getting this country squared away and back on a proper track – morals, values, and virtues as well ! Remember – you have 2 daughters looking up to you too!