The Story The Media And Major Blogs Are Not Reporting: Senate Ignores Jim Demint Amendments That Kill Reconciliation. Unanimous Vote? What Unanimous Vote?
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The endgame is here and the most important aspect that could kill the above linked post concerning the Senate Finance Committee healthcare bill and any other form of ObamaCare is being ignored by not only the media, but major bloggers everywhere. The only other reference I can find other than on the Social Security Institute website (see link below) is from FreedomWorks. Given that these two amendments kill any chance of reconciliation, I am at a loss to explain the complete lack of interest in this topic.
There were two amendments offered by Senator DeMint prior to the health bill conferences and debate in the Senate – a point-of-order amendment and instruction to conferees. The following is taken directly from an email Mr. Uhler received from Dr. Lawrence Hunter of the Social Security Institute that was forwarded to me and placed in the first link above. Dr. Hunter also has a very long and distinguished career and served as policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan during Reagan’s second term. He also served as a Member of the Board of Advisors for the NTLC:
During deliberations on the Senate Budget Resolution earlier this year, Senator Jim DeMint (R-SC) introduced a point-of-order amendment that would require a 60-vote majority to pass “any bill, joint resolution, amendment, motion, or conference report that eliminates the ability of Americans to keep their health plan or their choice of doctor (as determined by the Congressional Budget Office).” The Senate approved the DeMint Amendment unanimously.
Subsequently, before the Senate Budget Resolution went to a Conference Committee where differences with the House Budget Resolution were to be worked out, DeMint offered a motion to instruct the Conferees not only to insist on retaining the 60-vote provision in the final Conference Report but also to widen the scope of the provision to cover any provision and so forth that decreases the number of Americans enrolled in private health insurance while increasing the number enrolled in government-managed, rationed health care. The Demint motion to instruct passed the Senate by an overwhelming vote of 79 to 14.
As a matter of congressional comity, the House ordinarily would have been expected to accede to the Senate provision since it affected Senate rules that applied only to the Senate. Remarkably, Senate Budget Committee Chairman, Kent Conrad, allowed the Demint 60-vote requirement to be removed from the Budget Resolution in Conference.
Prior to the above statements by Dr. Hunter is information of great importance:
However, with a united Republican front in the Senate, Democrats would be hard pressed to jam a bill as comprehensive and detested as ObamaCare down Americans’ throats. Current polls indicate that more people oppose ObamaCare than support it. Moreover, Senate Republicans stand on very strong procedural grounds for resisting a bum’s rush on government-run healthcare through the Reconciliation process. It would take an act of extraordinary arrogance and recklessness for the Democratic Leadership to use Reconciliation this way.
If agreed upon to be enforced, the Demint amendments would in effect kill the reconciliation process and force 60 votes to pass ObamaCare in its present form – even with the co-operative option, which is nothing more than a Trojan horse for what ultimately will become a single-payer system. Mr. Uhler has identified five Republican Senators that need to align themselves with the party and forgo their proclivity to reach across the aisle. If this story goes national and pressure is brought to bear on these five Republican’s to stand firm with their party, then it is reasonable to assume the above conclusion from Dr. Hunter to be correct. Under these circumstances I do not believe the Democrats in the Senate would have the votes to commit “an act of extraordinary arrogance and recklessness”. However, wide public knowledge of the amendments and the subsequent pressure on Senators to follow their own rules requires national exposure. The average American is completely unaware of the procedural hurdles that Senator Jim Demint placed to block the ramming of a very unpopular plan onto the American people.
One could reasonably ask themselves why the public must follow rules, where the Senate can choose to ignore them. It will focus attention on the contempt that some Senate elitists have for the public. However, to date no major conservative talk show, media outlet, or think tank has covered this tactic. Everyone is talking about Blue Dogs killing the legislation. While certainly one strategy to pursue, I personally believe Blue Dogs have a habit of growling but, at the end of the day, many of them will roll over. I prefer a multi-pronged strategy that would include the above approach outlined by Dr. Hunter. On the legislative front, what is called for is combining public pressure on the Blue Dogs in the House and placing pressure on five Senate Republican’s to stand firm with their party and not negotiate ObamaCare Lite with the cooperative option replacing nationalized health care. Instead the public should insist the Demint rules be followed. This could very well kill the bill as it exists today. We could then press the reset button and start talking about real reform.
Using Reconciliation to force feed ObamaCare to an unwilling nation would backfire in ways that Democrats will find difficult to imagine. That is the type of atmosphere some liberals, such as Chuck Schumer are willing to create now and for the foreseeable future.
Here is the link to the story on the Social Security Institute article from Dr. Hunter:
In other news and opinion:
As the Byrd Rule Flies: Why Dems Can’t Use Reconciliation to Pass Radical ObamaCare
Co-ops a federal-subsidy trough
From Moe Lane at Redstate: Howard Dean threatens primary challenges on public option ‘no’ votes.
Blue Dog: Hey, maybe we should start over on ObamaCare. Won’t happen, but this can be killed in the Senate. I am still astounded nobody has picked up on this yet.
ObamaCare: Does the media matter?
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Yes, I am–like nearly all the informed health professionals I know–dead set against the federal government “reforming” healthcare. That’s too much power for an entity that produces nothing and is at heart of the current problems. My estimate is that as much as 41 cents of today’s private healthcare comes from cost-shifting from the short/no pays under MediCare, Medicaid, and Indigent Care. That particular aspect grows everytime Congress its nose into the matter. Defensive medicine is alive and well, as well, and while many seem to looking at the obvious bouncing ball (professional liability premiums) the real elephant in the living room are the endless tests, second and third opinions, and just to be sure, piles of waivers and releases that plague the hispitals in the U.S. The solutions are so obvious it almost hurts to see so many in the debate tiptoeing around them. We don’t need an overhaul, but we need some serious clean up:
1) If we want competition, we can have it by allowing competition across state lines. Taxpayer subsidized anything is unfair “competition” (if can be called that).
2) Remove hundreds of state and federal mandates that continue to drive up costs by requiring needless coverage (such as maternity, etc, for those who do not need it). These regs were designed more for protectionism than by patient needs.
3) Tort reform needs to go much further than merely putting caps on non-economic suffering. The spectre of malpractice claims looms no matter how low or high the caps are. Currently, the cost threshold for legal representation in tort claims runs at $250,000—and that is just to get to trial! Tort reform must address ambulance chasing, unnecessary medical tests, and frivolouos claims with heavy penalties. There is more to the issue, of course, but they must be addressed—any of the socialized systems touted as a shining example would fall on their faces within a year if they had to survive in our litigation environment!
4) Expand Medical MSAs (we called them Medical IRAs in the Golden Rule study, which, by the way, was the most successful health insurance program I’ve ever seen in reducing costs, increasing quality of care, and incentivizing better health and lifestyle choices. This model consists of two simple components: 1) A very low cost, high deductible (say, $2,500-$5,000) major medical policy, and 2) An interest-bearing, tax-exempt, medical savings account from which the deductible is paid (amazingly, the draw down rate from that account goes to nil when people get healthy!
5) Use the Medical MSA model of health insurance become an option for Medicaid and for MediCare and watch the costs of those program go into meldown. For those who cannot afford insurance, a voucher system on the deductible can be devised with established financial thresholds. For instance, those at 125%, say, of poverty line, can recieve the entire Major Medical policy free of charge (still a lot cheaper than ObamaCare’s Spartan program), and enjoy an income-adjusted voucher for the deductible portion. In this way, the poor receive the same insurance coverage as everyone else, and are incentivized to abstain substances that are bad for them–by not drawing anything out of their savings account, they don’t have to put any more into it. Then, they have a stake in making better health and lifestyle choices. This particular group, as evidenced by myriad studies, are the largest consumers of the non-elderly groups of healthcare consumers. From the Golden Rule study and years of observations, we will see this group get better care and require less of it as they become healthier in the process. Their access to the preventive aspects alone, constitute progress; but far greater progress when bad health habits that predominate in the lower economic strata are curtailed through the incentives that eminate from the Medical MSA experience.
As one can see, we should reject out of hand having such a costly, inefficient, freedom-robbing, power-based entity as the federal government running healthcare. It can be done much cheaper at the private market without curtailing a laundry list of lost freedoms and onerous taxation. The only reason ObamaCare has earned silence from many of the players at the table (AMA, Pharma, AARP, etc.) is because each have been promised “business as usual” and more. Bribing does not come cheap. ObamaCare will cost more than the current system and cost us much, much–and progressively–more. The nature of this freedom-destroying beast should not be let out of its cage. Instead, get the beast out of the way, and give us the hard-working, ingenious enterprise of freedom and entreprenuership to resolve what’s wrong in healthcare today. Other countries are bound to follow suit.
Dear All:
It seems my material on the healthcare debate has reached the major news sources and numerous conservative and liberal organizations nationwide, and be hitting a nerve (in unison with countless other patriots) in changing the shape of the healthcare debate. More and more I am being asked, “What is the solution?”. My replies have drawn upon on research, writing, and direct involvement in the late 1980s “Play or Pay” proposals (George Bush the First), mid 90s HillaryCare, and a few mini-resurrections raised from time to time thereafter.
The following is my most recent reply to an inquiry as to what I feel are the needed reforms in healthcare. As you may tell, any program administered and financed by the federal government is the LAST place we even consider going. What we need is LESS government involvement and much more private market involvement. Here is a comprehensive, though not exhaustive, outline of proposed changes:
I am–like nearly all the informed health professionals I know–dead set against the federal government “reforming” healthcare. That’s too much power for an entity that produces nothing of value and is at the heart of our current problems. My estimate is that as much as 41 cents of today’s private healthcare expenditures come from cost-shifting from the short/no pays under MediCare, Medicaid, and Indigent Care to the private market. That particular aspect grows every time Congress pokes its nose into the matter. Defensive medicine is alive and well, also, and while many seem to be looking at the obvious bouncing ball (professional liability premiums) the real elephant in the living room are the endless tests, second and third opinions, and just to be sure, piles of waivers and releases that plague the hospitals. The solutions are so obvious it almost hurts to see so many in the debate tiptoeing around them. We don’t need an overhaul, but we need some serious clean up:
1) If we want competition, we can have it by allowing competition across state lines. Taxpayer subsidized anything is unfair “competition” (if can be called that). Make no mistake about it: The so-called “public option” is not competition. It is an insidious takeover that will eventually close down the private healthcare system as we know it today (except for the czars in government and the vodoo dolls of the left: the “Rich”.
2) Remove hundreds of state and federal mandates that continue to drive up costs by requiring needless coverage (such as maternity, etc, for those who do not need it). These regs were designed more for protectionism than for patient needs.
3) Tort reform needs to go much further than merely putting caps on non-economic suffering. The spectre of malpractice claims looms large no matter how low or high the caps are. Currently, the cost threshold for legal representation in tort claims runs at about $250,000—and that is just to get to trial! Tort reform must also address ambulance chasing, unnecessary medical tests, and frivolous claims with heavy penalties. There is more to the issue, of course, but these must be addressed—any of the socialized systems touted as a shining example would fall on their faces within a year if they had to survive in our litigation environment!
4) Expand Medical MSAs (we called them Medical IRAs in the Golden Rule study, which, by the way, was the most successful health insurance program we’ve seen for reducing costs, increasing quality of care, and incentivizing better health and lifestyle choices. This model consists of two simple components: 1) A very low cost, high deductible (say, $2,500-$5,000) major medical policy, and 2) An interest-bearing, tax-exempt, medical savings account from which the deductible is paid (amazingly, the draw down rate from that account goes to nil when people get healthy!)
5) Use the Medical MSA model of health insurance to become an option for or to replace Medicaid and for MediCare, and watch the costs of those programs go into meldown. For those who cannot afford insurance, a voucher system on the deductible can be devised with established financial thresholds. For instance, those at, say, 125% of poverty line, would receive the entire Major Medical policy paid for by the states or federal government (still a lot cheaper than ObamaCare’s Spartan program). The MSA component would have an income-adjusted voucher for the deductible portion. In this way, the poor receive the same insurance coverage as everyone else, and are incentivized to abstain from substances that is harmful to their health–and by not drawing anything out of their savings account, they don’t have to put any more into it. Then, they have a stake in making better health and lifestyle choices. This particular group, as evidenced by myriad studies, are the largest consumers of the non-elderly groups of healthcare consumers. From the Golden Rule study and subsequent years of observations, we will see this group get better care and require less of it as they become healthier in the process. Their access to the preventive aspects alone constitute progress; but far greater progress when bad health habits that predominate in the lower economic strata are curtailed through the incentives that eminate from the Medical MSA experience.
As one can see, we should reject out of hand having such a costly, inefficient, freedom-robbing, power-based entity as the federal government running healthcare. It can be done much cheaper at the private market level without curtailing a laundry list of lost freedoms and onerous taxation. The only reason ObamaCare has earned silence from many of the players at the table (AMA, Pharma, AARP, etc.) is because each have been promised “business as usual” and more. Bribing does not come cheap. ObamaCare will cost more than the current system and cost us much, much–and progressively–more. The nature of this freedom-destroying beast should not be let out of its cage. Instead, get the beast out of the way, and give us the hard-working, ingenious enterprise of freedom and entreprenuership to resolve what’s wrong in healthcare today. Other countries are bound to follow suit.
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